[SCC_Active_Members] Agenda for 8/25/04 SCC

[Paul McJones]

Gio,

I live in Mountain View, so perhaps some morning or evening I could meet you
-- at Stanford? a coffee shop? -- and pick them up to scan.  Feel free to
call me (home: 650 964-1068 work: 408 536-4782 cell: 650 279-0072) to
arrange a meeting.

By coincidence, Dave Redell and I worked at the Center for Research in
Management Science at Berkeley, doing an "APL Time-Sharing System" with
Professors Hoggatt and Balderston as the principal investigators.  It would
be interesting to get in touch with him again.


Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gio Wiederhold [mailto:gio at DB.Stanford.EDU] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:08 PM
> To: Paul McJones
> Cc: 'SCC active'; 'Bernard L. PEUTO'
> Subject: RE: [SCC_Active_Members] Agenda for 8/25/04 SCC
> 
> 
> Paul,
>    I'd love to have the $tudent compiler material scanned in.
> Tell me what's the best way to get it to you,
> 
> I recall that the prefix $ indicated an operating system 
> command to the 7090 operating system.
> 
> I also had the following discussion with Dave Redell.
> Professor Austin Hoggatt was the director of the Computer 
> Center then, He was succeeded early 1965 by Prof. Abraham 
> Taub, since deceased.
> We might still contact prof Hoggatt:
> www.haas.berkeley.edu/faculty/hoggatt.html 
> 
> Gio
> 
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> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:14:28 -0700
> To: Gio Wiederhold <gio at db.stanford.edu>
> From: Dave Redell <dredell at agile.tv>
> Subject: RE: [SCC_Active_Members] Agenda for 8/25/04 SCC
> 
> At 11:48 AM 8/25/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >     Two unusual system adaptations at UC Berkeley's Computer Center 
> >supported the scheme: A double memory (64K), although the 
> memories were 
> >not directly addressable from each other, because of the 
> 15-bit address 
> >limitations in the IBM architecture, and a front-end 1401
> with
> >a `large' 1405 disk which allowed collecting the student programs
> into
> >batches for processing.
> 
> Hi Gio,
> 
> I'm not at all sure what you are referring to here. The 
> $TUDENT compiler ran on the 6400, so none of the above 
> description seems to apply. It sounds like you may be 
> referring to the funny dual-core 7094 that sort of arrived 
> but wasn't actually put in service and ended up at LBL. The 
> dual 6400s had 64K and 32K (x60bits) respectively, but it 
> doesn't sound like that's what you're talking about either. 
> As far as the front end processor for the 7094 DCS was 
> concerned, that was a 7040. The
> 1401 was gone years before the $TUDENT compiler appeared on the scene.
> 
> Am I somehow misreading your email?
> 
> Dave
> 
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> Dave,
>    It may well be that the $tudent compiler was moved to the CDC 6400.
> I am quite sure that the dual core 7090 (then) was initally 
> installed in  Campbell Hall.  Correspondence in my 
> documentation is from 1962 and mentions the 7090.
> I went in 1964 from UC Berkeley to ITT Kanpur, and lost contact then.
> 
>    The person who wrote the compiler originally was Gary Breitbard.
> Another participant was Gerald Miller. I am still on contact 
> with Miller (now Joaquin Miller), who now lives in Berkeley. 
> Gary Breitbard lives in Palo Alto.  They might know soome 
> others. Ken Thompson (of UNIX fame) was also around at that 
> time. They may have links to others of that time. Another 
> name is Jerry Johnson, who followed me a year later to IIT 
> Kanpur and now also lives in Oakland.
> 
>    If it's worthwhile it may be nice to organize a meeting at 
> the museum to get a good timeline on this piece of history 
> orally from the survivors.  Maybe you can bring it up at a 
> museum software meeting.
> 
>    I am quite busy with some crtitical high-leverage 
> consulting, but would be willing to devote a day or so to 
> that piece of history.
> 
> Thanks for the followup.
> 
> Gio
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> /Gio Wiederhold/
> http://www-db.stanford.edu/people/gio.html
>